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Anxious to see what my son will say to me.

BTC supporter here since 2014.
When my son was 1 year old back in late 2016, I used up all his birthday money to buy bitcoin for him. Put it on a ledger and kept it away since. My wife told me to sell at $5000, at $10000 and $18000, but i hold it ever since, now she already know I will keep my promise to just give it to him when it is time (probably not at 18, because most youngsters are still retarded at that age)
Anyway, I am so anxious to see his reaction when I tell him he has a certain amount of btc :D and that his 'old fashioned' dad was good for something :P
I hope it will make him instantly financially stable/independent. Or maybe I will get to hear why I didn't sold at $18000 back in 2017! You should have listened to mum!


Wow what crazy karma post :) thanks people. I try to answer some questions that were asked. !


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MAIL : I'm a hacker good and seller cvv good so now i have more cc for sale
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WELLCOME TO ALL CUSTOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014 !
Contact
Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams
Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com
Google talk : shoppywilliams
Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com
==>> I'M A BIG HACKER REALLY IN ALL FORUM ===> I'm Seller for: CC, CVV US,UK,CA, EURO,AU, Italian,Japan,France,...all cc !
CC fullz info, CC DOB....for All !
- Us ( vis,mas ) = 5$/1cvv
- Us ( dis,amex ) = 7$/1cvv
- Uk ( vis,mas ) = 10$/1cvv
- Uk ( amex,dis) = 15$/1cvv
- Au = 15$/1cvv
- Ca = 15$/1cvv
- Eu = 20$/1cvv
- Itali = 20$/1cvv
- Spain = 20$/1cvv
- Denmark = 25$/1cvv
- Sweden = 20$/1cvv
- France = 15$/1
- Germany = 15$/1
- Ireland = 15$/1
- New zeland = 15$/1
- Switherland = 15$/1
- Slovakia = 15$/1
- Middle East = 15$/1cvv
- Asia = 15$/1cvv
- Uk with bin = 20$
- Uk with dob = 25$
- Uk with bin + dob = 30$
- Us full = 25$/1cvv
- Uk full = 35$/1cvv
- Eu full = 40$/1cvv
- And All CC - CVV Country
--------------------
CC fullz info, CC DOBDomain hosting.
PRICE LIST ALL CVV CVV2.
1cc US (visa) : 5$
1cc US(master) : 6$
1cc US(amex/discover):8$
1cc US with bin : 9$
1cc US fullz : 18$
1cc uk random : 10$
1cc uk with dob : 20$
1cc uk with bin : 10$
1cc uk bin dob : 25$
1cc uk fullz : 30$
1cc eu(visa /master) : 15$
1cc eu(Amex/Discover): 15$
1cc ca random : 6$
1cc ca bin : 12$
1cc ca fulls : 20$
1cc au random : 7$
1cc france : 15$
1cc france with dob : 20$
1cc germany : 15$
1cc germany with dob : 25$
1cc italy : 20$
1cc italy with dob : 40$
1cc japan : 15$
1cc japan with dob : 25$
1cc belgium : 12$
1cc denmark : 12$
1cc spain : 15$
Sample : Fresh FULZ INDIA
Number: 557664432400xxxx
EXP: 0316
CVV: 839
Name: Pankaj Kumar Neo
Country: INDIA
ZIP: 221010
City: Varanasi
Street: Flat no.15 siddarth
Phone: 054222227xx
DOB: 03/10/1981
SSN: none
MMN: Padama Devi Neot
Vbv1: 839
Vbv2: 1073
--------------------
Sample : Fresh UK FULZ
Account Open In: LD
Online ID: rgunn1x
ATM or Check Card PIN: 001755
Passcode: eg15
----------Credit/Debit Card and Other Accounts Details--------
CC Number: 4917541519978xxx
Exp Date: 05/2016
Cvv: 54x
CC PinNumber: eg1x
Account Number: 0520016xx
Routing Number: 365xxx
----------Credit/Debit Card ----------
Full Name: Ted Maclean
Address Line 1: 33 dorset house
Address Line 2: 4 kettering road
City: london
Zipcode: en3 6xa
Phone Number:+4470358425
E-mail: rg.gunn
----------Identification--------------
DOB: 04-04-1953
MMN: pinkney
Driver's Liecence No: g50076xxxxxx
-----SiteKeyChallengec Questions---
--------------------------
Format is:
Card Number | Exp. Date | CVV/CVV2 | First Name | Last Name | Street
City | State | Zip Code | Country | Phone | Type Of Card | Bank Name
All our cc are checked before sending.
We guarantee that our cc are good with good balances!
- RULE 1: I never sell the same CC, CVV to more than a person.
- RULE 2: I don't share CC, CVV for test free.
- RULE 3: All my CC, CVV always are fresh and live.
- RULE 4: All my CC, CVVs are checked.
*USA:101
MasterCard Standart, Visa Classic - $40
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $40
American Express - $30 ( WITHOUT SID )
Discover - $50
*CANADA:101 201
MasterCard, Visa Classic - $50
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $50
*EU:101 201
MasterCard, Visa Classic - $90
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $130
*Other countries:101 201MasterCard| Visa Classic - $70
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $100
*ASIA/AUSTRALIA/Exotic:101 , 201 , 121 and others
MasterCard| Visa Classic - $50
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $70
MSR PRICE :
MSR505 / MSR2000 : $ 549
MSR505 / MSR300* : $ 499
MSR505 / TA-48 : $ 639
MSR206 / MSR3000 : $ 729
MSR206 / MSR300 : $ 549
MSR206 2x MSR400 : $ 900
MSR206 2x MSR500m (Mini123) : $ 875
MSR206 2x TA-32 : $ 990
MSR206 2x CRM42 : $ 869
MSR206 2xCRM41 : $ 929
Uk CVV $20 for one Amex/Disc FULLZ INFO
Uk CVV $20 for one MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
Uk with dob $25 for one cw FULLZ INFO
EU CVV $20 for one Disc/Amex FULLZ INFO
EU CVV $25 with DOB for one MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
ARAB CVV $30 MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
US FULL INFO CC $25 DOB SSN ETCCCCCCCC
MIX CC ONLY
UK CC NORMAL $9 WITH DOB $25 Randon with Bin $1 extra fee
Sample Fresh US FULZ
Full Name : james gilmor
Date of Birth : Aug/28/xxxx
Mother's Maiden Name : gunderman
Social Security Number : 090/42/xxxx
Home Phone Number : 516-935-xxxx
Adress Line 1 : 125 cortland ave
Adress Line 2 :
City : hicksville
State : ny
Zip Code : 11801
Contry : United States
Debit or credit card number : 559460000069xxxx
Expiration date : 06 / 15
Card Verification Number : 991x
SecourCode : 748
Card Signature/PIN : 038x
------------------
First Name : Donna
Middle Name : L
Last Name : Buchanax
Spouse Name :
Father Name :
Billing Address : 9970C W. Royal Oak Rd.
City : Sun City
State : AZ
Zip Code : 85351
Country : US
Phone Number : 623-974-9422
Credit Card Information :
*********
Card Type : Debit
Credit Card Number : 474488008092xxxx
Exp. Date : 3/March / 2016
Name On Card : Donna L. Buchanan
Cvv2 : 822
Mother Maiden Name : Edwards
Social Security Number : 365420562
Birth Day : 23
Birth Month : 09
Birth Year : 1943
Card Verification Number : 991x
SecourCode : 748
Card Signature/PIN : 038x
Account Information :
*******
AOL ID : [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Password : luper123
-------------------------------
======> Prices For Western Union Online -Transfer(Eu,Uk,Asia,Ca,Us,France,Ger,Ita,AU and very easy to cashout
African)
=====>>> do Transfer WU ($ / £ / Euro )
-500$ = 9000$
-300$ = 5000$
-200$ = 3000$
-100$ = 1500$
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MTCN : 386-919-3122 / 112-378-6613 / 075-973-8623 / .........!!!!
=====>>> Acc Paypal
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---With Paypal Veritified-----
- Paypal Veritified with balance 1000$ = 100$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 3000$ = 200$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 5000$ = 350$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 8000$ = 500$
I only have some balance like as , so someone don't ask me about low balance or high balance about paypal
-------------------------------------------------- --------------------
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- Tracks 1&2 EU = 90$ per 1
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Ship ipad : 150$ per 1
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Ship Laptop : Dell 150$ per 1
Ship Laptop : HP 100$ per 1
SHIP LAPTOP APPLE = 150$
SHIP LAPTOP HP + DELL = 120$
SHIP LAPTOP TOSHIBA = 80$
SHIP LAPTOP LENOVO = 100$
=====>>> Bank Logins Prices US UK CA AU EU
1 . Balance > 5000 = 200$
2 . Balance > 10000 = 350$
3 . Balance > 15000 = 500$
4 . Balance > 20000 = 650$
5 . Balance > 27000 = 800$
Balance In Chase : 70K To 155K = 160$
Balance In Wachovia : 24K To 80K = 80$
Balance In Boa : 75K To 450K = 300$
Balance In Credit Union : Any Amount = 300$
Balance In Hallifax : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Compass : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Wellsfargo : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Barclays : 80K To 100K = 400$
Balance In Abbey : 82K = 700$
Balance in Hsbc : 50K = 350$
---------Contact -----------
+++++++++++Skype ID : cvvcharlie2014
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- dont trust dont talk more
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- no test free
- u can buy 1 test,if good u can buy more
- if not good ,i will change for u
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- all my cvv are tested before sell, that's sure
- i accept PM (Perfect money) or WU but i only accept WU > 100
- I was so happy to see you actually make more money from the business with me
thank you all ... When you believe I and work with me
- contact me ...if you need me
I ACCEPT PAYMENT ONLY : PERFECT MONEY or WESTERN UNION or BITCOIN or EGOPAY
MY CONTACT INFOS..:
Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams
Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com
Google talk : shoppywilliams
Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com
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NO DEMO
NO FREE FRESH OR DEAD CARD
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-------- SELL GOOD STUFFS BOOK ALL TICKETS NOW --------
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CC Fullz Shop - Verified Haxker (Famous on HF) - Top Tier EZ Cashouts

CC Fullz Shop - Verified Haxker (Famous on HF) - Top Tier EZ Cashouts

Are you stuck looking for cc fullz? purchase yours from a verified hacker usually.. i have over 1000+ cards available I tried some UK cards as well successfully. If you need it

my telegram is u/unknownhaxker

Feel free to join my telegram channel for FULLZ https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFk46fVyNEsaCArYjg

Please don’t go to me unless you’re experienced in clapping / carding

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selling,Cvv2,fullz,Dumps+Track 1\2+acc,Paypal+contact me Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com Google talk : shoppywilliams Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com
MAIL : I'm a hacker good and seller cvv good so now i have more cc for sale

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WELLCOME TO ALL CUSTOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014 !

Contact

Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])

Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams

Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com

Google talk : shoppywilliams

Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com

==>> I'M A BIG HACKER REALLY IN ALL FORUM
===> I'm Seller for: CC, CVV US,UK,CA, EURO,AU, Italian,Japan,France,...all cc !
CC fullz info, CC DOB....for All !
- Us ( vis,mas ) = 5$/1cvv
- Us ( dis,amex ) = 7$/1cvv
- Uk ( vis,mas ) = 10$/1cvv
- Uk ( amex,dis) = 15$/1cvv
- Au = 15$/1cvv
- Ca = 15$/1cvv
- Eu = 20$/1cvv
- Itali = 20$/1cvv
- Spain = 20$/1cvv
- Denmark = 25$/1cvv
- Sweden = 20$/1cvv
- France = 15$/1
- Germany = 15$/1
- Ireland = 15$/1
- New zeland = 15$/1
- Switherland = 15$/1
- Slovakia = 15$/1
- Middle East = 15$/1cvv
- Asia = 15$/1cvv
- Uk with bin = 20$
- Uk with dob = 25$
- Uk with bin + dob = 30$
- Us full = 25$/1cvv
- Uk full = 35$/1cvv
- Eu full = 40$/1cvv
- And All CC - CVV Country

--------------------

CC fullz info, CC DOBDomain hosting.
PRICE LIST ALL CVV CVV2.
1cc US (visa) : 5$
1cc US(master) : 6$
1cc US(amex/discover):8$
1cc US with bin : 9$
1cc US fullz : 18$
1cc uk random : 10$
1cc uk with dob : 20$
1cc uk with bin : 10$
1cc uk bin dob : 25$
1cc uk fullz : 30$
1cc eu(visa /master) : 15$
1cc eu(Amex/Discover): 15$
1cc ca random : 6$
1cc ca bin : 12$
1cc ca fulls : 20$
1cc au random : 7$
1cc france : 15$
1cc france with dob : 20$
1cc germany : 15$
1cc germany with dob : 25$
1cc italy : 20$
1cc italy with dob : 40$
1cc japan : 15$
1cc japan with dob : 25$
1cc belgium : 12$
1cc denmark : 12$
1cc spain : 15$

Sample : Fresh FULZ INDIA

Number: 557664432400xxxx
EXP: 0316
CVV: 839
Name: Pankaj Kumar Neo
Country: INDIA
ZIP: 221010
City: Varanasi
Street: Flat no.15 siddarth
Phone: 054222227xx
DOB: 03/10/1981
SSN: none
MMN: Padama Devi Neot
Vbv1: 839
Vbv2: 1073

--------------------

Sample : Fresh UK FULZ

Account Open In: LD
Online ID: rgunn1x
ATM or Check Card PIN: 001755
Passcode: eg15
----------Credit/Debit Card and Other Accounts Details--------
CC Number: 4917541519978xxx
Exp Date: 05/2016
Cvv: 54x
CC PinNumber: eg1x
Account Number: 0520016xx
Routing Number: 365xxx
----------Credit/Debit Card ----------
Full Name: Ted Maclean
Address Line 1: 33 dorset house
Address Line 2: 4 kettering road
City: london
Zipcode: en3 6xa
Phone Number:+4470358425
E-mail: rg.gunn
----------Identification--------------

DOB: 04-04-1953
MMN: pinkney
Driver's Liecence No: g50076xxxxxx
-----SiteKeyChallengec Questions---

--------------------------

Format is:
Card Number | Exp. Date | CVV/CVV2 | First Name | Last Name | Street
City | State | Zip Code | Country | Phone | Type Of Card | Bank Name

All our cc are checked before sending.
We guarantee that our cc are good with good balances!
- RULE 1: I never sell the same CC, CVV to more than a person.
- RULE 2: I don't share CC, CVV for test free.
- RULE 3: All my CC, CVV always are fresh and live.
- RULE 4: All my CC, CVVs are checked.

*USA:101
MasterCard Standart, Visa Classic - $40
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $40
American Express - $30 ( WITHOUT SID )
Discover - $50

*CANADA:101 201
MasterCard, Visa Classic - $50
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $50

*EU:101 201
MasterCard, Visa Classic - $90
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $130
*Other countries:101 201MasterCard| Visa Classic - $70
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $100

*ASIA/AUSTRALIA/Exotic:101 , 201 , 121 and others
MasterCard| Visa Classic - $50
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $70

MSR PRICE :

MSR505 / MSR2000 : $ 549
MSR505 / MSR300* : $ 499
MSR505 / TA-48 : $ 639
MSR206 / MSR3000 : $ 729
MSR206 / MSR300 : $ 549
MSR206 2x MSR400 : $ 900
MSR206 2x MSR500m (Mini123) : $ 875
MSR206 2x TA-32 : $ 990
MSR206 2x CRM42 : $ 869
MSR206 2xCRM41 : $ 929

Uk CVV $20 for one Amex/Disc FULLZ INFO
Uk CVV $20 for one MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
Uk with dob $25 for one cw FULLZ INFO
EU CVV $20 for one Disc/Amex FULLZ INFO
EU CVV $25 with DOB for one MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
ARAB CVV $30 MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
US FULL INFO CC $25 DOB SSN ETCCCCCCCC
MIX CC ONLY
UK CC NORMAL $9 WITH DOB $25 Randon with Bin $1 extra fee

Sample Fresh US FULZ

Full Name : james gilmor
Date of Birth : Aug/28/xxxx
Mother's Maiden Name : gunderman
Social Security Number : 090/42/xxxx
Home Phone Number : 516-935-xxxx
Adress Line 1 : 125 cortland ave
Adress Line 2 :
City : hicksville
State : ny
Zip Code : 11801
Contry : United States

Debit or credit card number : 559460000069xxxx
Expiration date : 06 / 15
Card Verification Number : 991x
SecourCode : 748
Card Signature/PIN : 038x

------------------

First Name : Donna
Middle Name : L
Last Name : Buchanax
Spouse Name :
Father Name :
Billing Address : 9970C W. Royal Oak Rd.
City : Sun City
State : AZ
Zip Code : 85351
Country : US
Phone Number : 623-974-9422
Credit Card Information :
*********
Card Type : Debit
Credit Card Number : 474488008092xxxx
Exp. Date : 3/March / 2016
Name On Card : Donna L. Buchanan
Cvv2 : 822
Mother Maiden Name : Edwards
Social Security Number : 365420562
Birth Day : 23
Birth Month : 09
Birth Year : 1943
Card Verification Number : 991x
SecourCode : 748
Card Signature/PIN : 038x
Account Information :
*******
AOL ID : [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Password : luper123
-------------------------------

======> Prices For Western Union Online -Transfer(Eu,Uk,Asia,Ca,Us,France,Ger,Ita,AU and very easy to cashout
African)
=====>>> do Transfer WU ($ / £ / Euro )
-500$ = 9000$
-300$ = 5000$
-200$ = 3000$
-100$ = 1500$

After Payment 45Min u will get MTCN to cash money

MTCN : 386-919-3122 / 112-378-6613 / 075-973-8623 / .........!!!!
=====>>> Acc Paypal
And have more Bank account login with more country , If u real want to buy and make bussiness with me let's

---With Paypal Veritified-----

- Paypal Veritified with balance 1000$ = 100$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 3000$ = 200$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 5000$ = 350$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 8000$ = 500$

I only have some balance like as , so someone don't ask me about low balance or high balance about paypal

-------------------------------------------------- --------------------

=====> With Bank and Tracks,Dumps
- Tracks 1&2 US = 55$ per 1
- Tracks 1&2 UK = 70$ per 1
- Tracks 1&2 ca / au = 80$ per 1
- Tracks 1&2 EU = 90$ per 1

Will check with hight balance

Track1=5232556061018719WYATT/ROBERTSON1007101171410000271000000
Track2=5232556061018719=10071011000042400000
pin: 5678 5432,5187 ,5505,and much pin other

=====>>> Ship shop all
Ship iphone : 4g 150$ per 1
Ship iphone : 3gs 100$ per 1
Ship ipad : 150$ per 1
Ship Laptop : Vaio 200$ per 1
Ship Laptop : Dell 150$ per 1
Ship Laptop : HP 100$ per 1
SHIP LAPTOP APPLE = 150$
SHIP LAPTOP HP + DELL = 120$
SHIP LAPTOP TOSHIBA = 80$
SHIP LAPTOP LENOVO = 100$

=====>>> Bank Logins Prices US UK CA AU EU
1 . Balance > 5000 = 200$
2 . Balance > 10000 = 350$
3 . Balance > 15000 = 500$
4 . Balance > 20000 = 650$
5 . Balance > 27000 = 800$

Balance In Chase : 70K To 155K = 160$
Balance In Wachovia : 24K To 80K = 80$
Balance In Boa : 75K To 450K = 300$
Balance In Credit Union : Any Amount = 300$
Balance In Hallifax : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Compass : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Wellsfargo : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Barclays : 80K To 100K = 400$
Balance In Abbey : 82K = 700$
Balance in Hsbc : 50K = 350$

---------Contact -----------

+++++++++++Skype ID : cvvcharlie2014

- And have more Bank account login with more country
- If u real want to buy and make bussiness with me let's contact me now
- dont trust dont talk more
- you send money => i send Cvv2 good
- no test free
- u can buy 1 test,if good u can buy more
- if not good ,i will change for u
- i very hate do spam or rip and i don't want who spam me
- all my cvv are tested before sell, that's sure
- i accept PM (Perfect money) or WU but i only accept WU > 100
- I was so happy to see you actually make more money from the business with me
thank you all ... When you believe I and work with me
- contact me ...if you need me

I ACCEPT PAYMENT ONLY : PERFECT MONEY or WESTERN UNION or BITCOIN or EGOPAY

MY CONTACT INFOS..:

Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])

Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams

Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com

Google talk : shoppywilliams

Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com

NO TEST
NO DEMO
NO FREE FRESH OR DEAD CARD
CONTACT ME ONLY WHEN U READY TO BUY OR READY FOR GOOD DEAL

-------- SELL GOOD STUFFS BOOK ALL TICKETS NOW --------
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CC Fullz Shop - Verified Haxker - EZ CASHOUTS


Are you stuck looking for cc fullz? purchase yours from a verified hacker usually.. i have over 1000+ cards available I tried some UK cards as well successfully. If you need it

my telegram is u/unknownhaxker

Feel free to join my telegram channel for FULLZ https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFk46fVyNEsaCArYjg

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MAIL : I'm a hacker good and seller cvv good so now i have more cc for sale

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WELLCOME TO ALL CUSTOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014 !

Contact

Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])

Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams

Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com

Google talk : shoppywilliams

Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com

==>> I'M A BIG HACKER REALLY IN ALL FORUM
===> I'm Seller for: CC, CVV US,UK,CA, EURO,AU, Italian,Japan,France,...all cc !
CC fullz info, CC DOB....for All !
- Us ( vis,mas ) = 5$/1cvv
- Us ( dis,amex ) = 7$/1cvv
- Uk ( vis,mas ) = 10$/1cvv
- Uk ( amex,dis) = 15$/1cvv
- Au = 15$/1cvv
- Ca = 15$/1cvv
- Eu = 20$/1cvv
- Itali = 20$/1cvv
- Spain = 20$/1cvv
- Denmark = 25$/1cvv
- Sweden = 20$/1cvv
- France = 15$/1
- Germany = 15$/1
- Ireland = 15$/1
- New zeland = 15$/1
- Switherland = 15$/1
- Slovakia = 15$/1
- Middle East = 15$/1cvv
- Asia = 15$/1cvv
- Uk with bin = 20$
- Uk with dob = 25$
- Uk with bin + dob = 30$
- Us full = 25$/1cvv
- Uk full = 35$/1cvv
- Eu full = 40$/1cvv
- And All CC - CVV Country

--------------------

CC fullz info, CC DOBDomain hosting.
PRICE LIST ALL CVV CVV2.
1cc US (visa) : 5$
1cc US(master) : 6$
1cc US(amex/discover):8$
1cc US with bin : 9$
1cc US fullz : 18$
1cc uk random : 10$
1cc uk with dob : 20$
1cc uk with bin : 10$
1cc uk bin dob : 25$
1cc uk fullz : 30$
1cc eu(visa /master) : 15$
1cc eu(Amex/Discover): 15$
1cc ca random : 6$
1cc ca bin : 12$
1cc ca fulls : 20$
1cc au random : 7$
1cc france : 15$
1cc france with dob : 20$
1cc germany : 15$
1cc germany with dob : 25$
1cc italy : 20$
1cc italy with dob : 40$
1cc japan : 15$
1cc japan with dob : 25$
1cc belgium : 12$
1cc denmark : 12$
1cc spain : 15$

Sample : Fresh FULZ INDIA

Number: 557664432400xxxx
EXP: 0316
CVV: 839
Name: Pankaj Kumar Neo
Country: INDIA
ZIP: 221010
City: Varanasi
Street: Flat no.15 siddarth
Phone: 054222227xx
DOB: 03/10/1981
SSN: none
MMN: Padama Devi Neot
Vbv1: 839
Vbv2: 1073

--------------------

Sample : Fresh UK FULZ

Account Open In: LD
Online ID: rgunn1x
ATM or Check Card PIN: 001755
Passcode: eg15
----------Credit/Debit Card and Other Accounts Details--------
CC Number: 4917541519978xxx
Exp Date: 05/2016
Cvv: 54x
CC PinNumber: eg1x
Account Number: 0520016xx
Routing Number: 365xxx
----------Credit/Debit Card ----------
Full Name: Ted Maclean
Address Line 1: 33 dorset house
Address Line 2: 4 kettering road
City: london
Zipcode: en3 6xa
Phone Number:+4470358425
E-mail: rg.gunn
----------Identification--------------

DOB: 04-04-1953
MMN: pinkney
Driver's Liecence No: g50076xxxxxx
-----SiteKeyChallengec Questions---

--------------------------

Format is:
Card Number | Exp. Date | CVV/CVV2 | First Name | Last Name | Street
City | State | Zip Code | Country | Phone | Type Of Card | Bank Name

All our cc are checked before sending.
We guarantee that our cc are good with good balances!
- RULE 1: I never sell the same CC, CVV to more than a person.
- RULE 2: I don't share CC, CVV for test free.
- RULE 3: All my CC, CVV always are fresh and live.
- RULE 4: All my CC, CVVs are checked.

*USA:101
MasterCard Standart, Visa Classic - $40
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $40
American Express - $30 ( WITHOUT SID )
Discover - $50

*CANADA:101 201
MasterCard, Visa Classic - $50
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $50

*EU:101 201
MasterCard, Visa Classic - $90
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $130
*Other countries:101 201MasterCard| Visa Classic - $70
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $100

*ASIA/AUSTRALIA/Exotic:101 , 201 , 121 and others
MasterCard| Visa Classic - $50
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $70

MSR PRICE :

MSR505 / MSR2000 : $ 549
MSR505 / MSR300* : $ 499
MSR505 / TA-48 : $ 639
MSR206 / MSR3000 : $ 729
MSR206 / MSR300 : $ 549
MSR206 2x MSR400 : $ 900
MSR206 2x MSR500m (Mini123) : $ 875
MSR206 2x TA-32 : $ 990
MSR206 2x CRM42 : $ 869
MSR206 2xCRM41 : $ 929

Uk CVV $20 for one Amex/Disc FULLZ INFO
Uk CVV $20 for one MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
Uk with dob $25 for one cw FULLZ INFO
EU CVV $20 for one Disc/Amex FULLZ INFO
EU CVV $25 with DOB for one MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
ARAB CVV $30 MasteVisa FULLZ INFO
US FULL INFO CC $25 DOB SSN ETCCCCCCCC
MIX CC ONLY
UK CC NORMAL $9 WITH DOB $25 Randon with Bin $1 extra fee

Sample Fresh US FULZ

Full Name : james gilmor
Date of Birth : Aug/28/xxxx
Mother's Maiden Name : gunderman
Social Security Number : 090/42/xxxx
Home Phone Number : 516-935-xxxx
Adress Line 1 : 125 cortland ave
Adress Line 2 :
City : hicksville
State : ny
Zip Code : 11801
Contry : United States

Debit or credit card number : 559460000069xxxx
Expiration date : 06 / 15
Card Verification Number : 991x
SecourCode : 748
Card Signature/PIN : 038x

------------------

First Name : Donna
Middle Name : L
Last Name : Buchanax
Spouse Name :
Father Name :
Billing Address : 9970C W. Royal Oak Rd.
City : Sun City
State : AZ
Zip Code : 85351
Country : US
Phone Number : 623-974-9422
Credit Card Information :
*********
Card Type : Debit
Credit Card Number : 474488008092xxxx
Exp. Date : 3/March / 2016
Name On Card : Donna L. Buchanan
Cvv2 : 822
Mother Maiden Name : Edwards
Social Security Number : 365420562
Birth Day : 23
Birth Month : 09
Birth Year : 1943
Card Verification Number : 991x
SecourCode : 748
Card Signature/PIN : 038x
Account Information :
*******
AOL ID : [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Password : luper123
-------------------------------

======> Prices For Western Union Online -Transfer(Eu,Uk,Asia,Ca,Us,France,Ger,Ita,AU and very easy to cashout
African)
=====>>> do Transfer WU ($ / £ / Euro )
-500$ = 9000$
-300$ = 5000$
-200$ = 3000$
-100$ = 1500$

After Payment 45Min u will get MTCN to cash money

MTCN : 386-919-3122 / 112-378-6613 / 075-973-8623 / .........!!!!
=====>>> Acc Paypal
And have more Bank account login with more country , If u real want to buy and make bussiness with me let's

---With Paypal Veritified-----

- Paypal Veritified with balance 1000$ = 100$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 3000$ = 200$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 5000$ = 350$
- Paypal Veritified with balance 8000$ = 500$

I only have some balance like as , so someone don't ask me about low balance or high balance about paypal

-------------------------------------------------- --------------------

=====> With Bank and Tracks,Dumps
- Tracks 1&2 US = 55$ per 1
- Tracks 1&2 UK = 70$ per 1
- Tracks 1&2 ca / au = 80$ per 1
- Tracks 1&2 EU = 90$ per 1

Will check with hight balance

Track1=5232556061018719WYATT/ROBERTSON1007101171410000271000000
Track2=5232556061018719=10071011000042400000
pin: 5678 5432,5187 ,5505,and much pin other

=====>>> Ship shop all
Ship iphone : 4g 150$ per 1
Ship iphone : 3gs 100$ per 1
Ship ipad : 150$ per 1
Ship Laptop : Vaio 200$ per 1
Ship Laptop : Dell 150$ per 1
Ship Laptop : HP 100$ per 1
SHIP LAPTOP APPLE = 150$
SHIP LAPTOP HP + DELL = 120$
SHIP LAPTOP TOSHIBA = 80$
SHIP LAPTOP LENOVO = 100$

=====>>> Bank Logins Prices US UK CA AU EU
1 . Balance > 5000 = 200$
2 . Balance > 10000 = 350$
3 . Balance > 15000 = 500$
4 . Balance > 20000 = 650$
5 . Balance > 27000 = 800$

Balance In Chase : 70K To 155K = 160$
Balance In Wachovia : 24K To 80K = 80$
Balance In Boa : 75K To 450K = 300$
Balance In Credit Union : Any Amount = 300$
Balance In Hallifax : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Compass : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Wellsfargo : ANY AMOUNT = 300$
Balance In Barclays : 80K To 100K = 400$
Balance In Abbey : 82K = 700$
Balance in Hsbc : 50K = 350$

---------Contact -----------

+++++++++++Skype ID : cvvcharlie2014

- And have more Bank account login with more country
- If u real want to buy and make bussiness with me let's contact me now
- dont trust dont talk more
- you send money => i send Cvv2 good
- no test free
- u can buy 1 test,if good u can buy more
- if not good ,i will change for u
- i very hate do spam or rip and i don't want who spam me
- all my cvv are tested before sell, that's sure
- i accept PM (Perfect money) or WU but i only accept WU > 100
- I was so happy to see you actually make more money from the business with me
thank you all ... When you believe I and work with me
- contact me ...if you need me

I ACCEPT PAYMENT ONLY : PERFECT MONEY or WESTERN UNION or BITCOIN or EGOPAY

MY CONTACT INFOS..:

Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])

Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams

Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com

Google talk : shoppywilliams

Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com

NO TEST
NO DEMO
NO FREE FRESH OR DEAD CARD
CONTACT ME ONLY WHEN U READY TO BUY OR READY FOR GOOD DEAL

-------- SELL GOOD STUFFS BOOK ALL TICKETS NOW --------
submitted by unknownhaxkerr to EscrowMarket [link] [comments]

CC Fullz Shop - Verified Haxker - Famous on HF Forums


Are you stuck looking for cc fullz? purchase yours from a verified hacker usually.. i have over 1000+ cards available I tried some UK cards as well successfully. If you need it

my telegram is u/unknownhaxker

Feel free to join my telegram channel for FULLZ https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFk46fVyNEsaCArYjg

Please don’t go to me unless you’re experienced in clapping / carding

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selling,Cvv2,fullz,Dumps+Track 1\2+acc,Paypal+contact me Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com Google talk : shoppywilliams Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com
MAIL : I'm a hacker good and seller cvv good so now i have more cc for sale

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WELLCOME TO ALL CUSTOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014 !

Contact

Email: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])

Yahoo ID: shoppywilliams

Gmail : shoppywilliams u/gmail.com

Google talk : shoppywilliams

Outlook: shoppywilliams u/outlook.com

==>> I'M A BIG HACKER REALLY IN ALL FORUM
===> I'm Seller for: CC, CVV US,UK,CA, EURO,AU, Italian,Japan,France,...all cc !
CC fullz info, CC DOB....for All !
- Us ( vis,mas ) = 5$/1cvv
- Us ( dis,amex ) = 7$/1cvv
- Uk ( vis,mas ) = 10$/1cvv
- Uk ( amex,dis) = 15$/1cvv
- Au = 15$/1cvv
- Ca = 15$/1cvv
- Eu = 20$/1cvv
- Itali = 20$/1cvv
- Spain = 20$/1cvv
- Denmark = 25$/1cvv
- Sweden = 20$/1cvv
- France = 15$/1
- Germany = 15$/1
- Ireland = 15$/1
- New zeland = 15$/1
- Switherland = 15$/1
- Slovakia = 15$/1
- Middle East = 15$/1cvv
- Asia = 15$/1cvv
- Uk with bin = 20$
- Uk with dob = 25$
- Uk with bin + dob = 30$
- Us full = 25$/1cvv
- Uk full = 35$/1cvv
- Eu full = 40$/1cvv
- And All CC - CVV Country

--------------------

CC fullz info, CC DOBDomain hosting.
PRICE LIST ALL CVV CVV2.
1cc US (visa) : 5$
1cc US(master) : 6$
1cc US(amex/discover):8$
1cc US with bin : 9$
1cc US fullz : 18$
1cc uk random : 10$
1cc uk with dob : 20$
1cc uk with bin : 10$
1cc uk bin dob : 25$
1cc uk fullz : 30$
1cc eu(visa /master) : 15$
1cc eu(Amex/Discover): 15$
1cc ca random : 6$
1cc ca bin : 12$
1cc ca fulls : 20$
1cc au random : 7$
1cc france : 15$
1cc france with dob : 20$
1cc germany : 15$
1cc germany with dob : 25$
1cc italy : 20$
1cc italy with dob : 40$
1cc japan : 15$
1cc japan with dob : 25$
1cc belgium : 12$
1cc denmark : 12$
1cc spain : 15$

Sample : Fresh FULZ INDIA

Number: 557664432400xxxx
EXP: 0316
CVV: 839
Name: Pankaj Kumar Neo
Country: INDIA
ZIP: 221010
City: Varanasi
Street: Flat no.15 siddarth
Phone: 054222227xx
DOB: 03/10/1981
SSN: none
MMN: Padama Devi Neot
Vbv1: 839
Vbv2: 1073

--------------------

Sample : Fresh UK FULZ

Account Open In: LD
Online ID: rgunn1x
ATM or Check Card PIN: 001755
Passcode: eg15
----------Credit/Debit Card and Other Accounts Details--------
CC Number: 4917541519978xxx
Exp Date: 05/2016
Cvv: 54x
CC PinNumber: eg1x
Account Number: 0520016xx
Routing Number: 365xxx
----------Credit/Debit Card ----------
Full Name: Ted Maclean
Address Line 1: 33 dorset house
Address Line 2: 4 kettering road
City: london
Zipcode: en3 6xa
Phone Number:+4470358425
E-mail: rg.gunn
----------Identification--------------

DOB: 04-04-1953
MMN: pinkney
Driver's Liecence No: g50076xxxxxx
-----SiteKeyChallengec Questions---

--------------------------

Format is:
Card Number | Exp. Date | CVV/CVV2 | First Name | Last Name | Street
City | State | Zip Code | Country | Phone | Type Of Card | Bank Name

All our cc are checked before sending.
We guarantee that our cc are good with good balances!
- RULE 1: I never sell the same CC, CVV to more than a person.
- RULE 2: I don't share CC, CVV for test free.
- RULE 3: All my CC, CVV always are fresh and live.
- RULE 4: All my CC, CVVs are checked.

*USA:101
MasterCard Standart, Visa Classic - $40
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $40
American Express - $30 ( WITHOUT SID )
Discover - $50

*CANADA:101 201
MasterCard, Visa Classic - $50
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $50

*EU:101 201
MasterCard, Visa Classic - $90
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $130
*Other countries:101 201MasterCard| Visa Classic - $70
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $100

*ASIA/AUSTRALIA/Exotic:101 , 201 , 121 and others
MasterCard| Visa Classic - $50
Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business ? $70

MSR PRICE :

MSR505 / MSR2000 : $ 549
MSR505 / MSR300* : $ 499
MSR505 / TA-48 : $ 639
MSR206 / MSR3000 : $ 729
MSR206 / MSR300 : $ 549
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Bitcoin 11 Years - Achievements, Lies, and Bullshit Claims So Far - Tooootally NOT a SCAM !!!!

That's right folks, it's that time again for the annual review of how Bitcoin is going: all of those claims, predictions, promises .... how many have turned out to be true, and how many are completely bogus ???
Please post / link this on Bitcoin (I am banned there for speaking the truth, so I cannot do it) ... because it'a way past time those poor clueless mushrooms were exposed to the truth.
Anyway, without further ado, I give you the Bitcoin's Achievements, Lies, and Bullshit Claims So Far ...
.
Bitcoin Achievements so far:
  1. It has spawned a cesspool of scams (2000+ shit coin scams, plus 100's of other scams, frauds, cons).
  2. Many 1,000's of hacks, thefts, losses.
  3. Illegal Use Cases: illegal drugs, illegal weapons, tax fraud, money laundering, sex trafficking, child pornography, hit men / murder-for-hire, ransomware, blackmail, extortion, and various other kinds of fraud and illicit activity.
  4. Legal Use Cases: Steam Games, Reddit, Expedia, Stripe, Starbucks, 1000's of merchants, cryptocurrency conferences, Ummm ????? The few merchants who "accept Bitcoin" immediately convert it into FIAT after the sale, or require you to sell your coins to BitPay or Coinbase for real money, and will then take that money. Some of the few who actually accept bitcoin haven't seen a customer who needed to pay with bitcoin for the last six months, and their cashiers no longer know how to handle that.
  5. Contributing significantly to Global Warming.
  6. Wastes vasts amounts of electricity on useless, do nothing work.
  7. Exponentially raises electricity prices when big miners move into regions where electricity was cheap.
  8. It’s the first "currency" that is not self-sustainable. It operates at a net loss, and requires continuous outside capital to replace the capital removed by miners to pay their costs. It’s literally a "black hole currency."
  9. It created a new way for people living too far from Vegas to gamble all their life savings away.
  10. Spawned "blockchain technology", a powerful technique that lets incompetent programmers who know almost nothing about databases, finance, programming, or blockchain scam millions out of gullible VC investors, banks, and governments.
  11. Increased China's foreign trade balance by a couple billion dollars per year.
  12. Helped the FBI and other law enforcement agents easily track down hundreds of drug traffickers and drug users.
  13. Wasted thousands if not millions of man-hours of government employees and legislators, in mostly fruitless attempts to understand, legitimize, and regulate the "phenomenon", and to investigate and prosecute its scams.
  14. Rekindled the hopes of anarcho-capitalists and libertarians for a global economic collapse, that would finally bring forth their Mad Max "utopia".
  15. Added another character to Unicode (no, no, not the "poo" 💩 character ... that was my first guess as well 🤣)
  16. Provides an easy way for malware and ransomware criminals to ply their trade and extort hospitals, schools, local councils, businesses, utilities, as well as the general population.
.
Correct Predictions:
  1. 2015-12: "1,000 dollar in 2015", u/Luka_Magnotta, aka time traveler from the future, 31-Aug-2013, https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/ (Technically, this prediction is WRONG because the highest price reached in 2015 was $495.56 according to CMC. Yes, Bitcoin reached $1,000 in 2013 and 2014, but that's NOT what the prediction says).
  2. 2017-12: "10,000 in 2017", u/Luka_Magnotta, aka time traveler from the future, 31-Aug-2013, https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/
  3. 2018-04: $10,000 (by April 2018), Mike Novogratz, link #1: https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/, link #2: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-21/mike-novogratz-says-bitcoin-will-end-the-year-at-10-000
  4. 2018-12: $10,000 (by 2018), Tim Draper, link #1: https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/, link #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AW5s6QkRRY
  5. Any others ? (Please tell me).
.
Bitcoin Promises / Claims / Price Predictions that turned out to be lies and bullshit:
  1. ANONYMOUS
  2. CENSORSHIP RESISTANT
  3. FRICTIONLESS
  4. TRUSTLESS
  5. UNCENSORABLE
  6. UNTRACEABLE
  7. SAFE
  8. SECURE
  9. YOU CANNOT LOSE
  10. NOT A SCAM
  11. PERMISSIONLESS
  12. GUARANTEED PRIVACY
  13. CANNOT BE SEIZED
  14. CANNOT BE CONFISCATED
  15. Be your own bank
  16. Regulation-proof
  17. NO MIDDLEMEN
  18. DECENTRALIZED
  19. Instantaneous transactions
  20. Fast transactions
  21. Zero / No transaction fees
  22. Low transaction fees
  23. A store of value
  24. A deflationary digital asset
  25. "A deflationary digital asset that no single human being can destroy."
  26. "an asset that is equally as dual use as a car, water, or any other traditional element that has existed."
  27. "Digital gold"
  28. Easy to use
  29. Cannot be stolen
  30. Cannot be hacked
  31. Can be mined by anyone
  32. Can be mined by anyone, even with an old computer or laptop
  33. Cannot be centralized
  34. Will return power back to the people.
  35. Not a Ponzi scam
  36. Not a Pyramid scam
  37. Never pay tax again
  38. Your gains cannot be taxed
  39. A currency
  40. An amazing new class of asset
  41. An asset
  42. A means to economic freedom
  43. A store of value
  44. The best investment the word has ever seen
  45. A great investment
  46. Efficient
  47. Scalable
  48. Stable
  49. Resilient
  50. Reliable
  51. Low energy
  52. Low risk
  53. Redistribute wealth to everybody
  54. No more have's and have not's
  55. No more US and THEM
  56. No more disadvantaged people
  57. No more RICH and POOR
  58. No more poor people
  59. Uses amazing new technology
  60. Uses ingenious new technology
  61. Satishi Nakamoto invented ...
  62. Segwit will solve all of Bitcoin's woes
  63. Lightning Network will solve all of Bitcoin's woes
  64. Limited by scarcity
  65. Can only go up in value
  66. Price cannot crash
  67. Has intrinsic value
  68. Value will always be worth more than cost to mine
  69. Adoption by investors is increasing exponentially
  70. Adoption by investors is increasing
  71. Adoption by merchants is increasing exponentially
  72. Adoption by merchants is increasing
  73. You are secure if you keep your coins on an exchange
  74. You are secure if you keep your coins in a hardware wallet
  75. You are secure if you keep your coins in an air-gapped Linux PC
  76. Will change the world
  77. "the next phase in human evolution"
  78. "Blockchain is more encompassing than the internet"
  79. Blockchain can solve previously unsolvable problems.
  80. "The only regulation we need is the blockchain"
  81. "Bank the unbanked"
  82. "To abolish financial slavery and the state's toxic monopoly on money."
  83. "To have better tools in the fight against the state violence and taxation."
  84. "To stamp information on a blockchain forever so we can bypass state censorship, copyrights, patents(informational monopolies) etc."
  85. Will destroy / overthrow FIAT
  86. Will destroy / overthrow the world's governments
  87. Will destroy / overthrow the banking system
  88. Will destroy / overthrow the world economies
  89. Will free people from tyranny
  90. Will give people financial freedom
  91. Will bring world peace
  92. Never going below $19K again
  93. Never going below $18K again
  94. Never going below $17K again
  95. Never going below $16K again
  96. Never going below $15K again
  97. Never going below $14K again
  98. Never going below $13K again
  99. Never going below $12K again
  100. Never going below $11K again
  101. Never going below $10K again
  102. Never going below $9K again
  103. Never going below $8K again
  104. Never going below $7K again
  105. Never going below $6K again
  106. Never going below $5K again
  107. Never going below $4K again
  108. Is NOT a Scam
  109. Hashing Power secures the Bitcoin network
  110. Untraceable, private transactions
  111. Guaranteed privacy
  112. Not created out of thin air
  113. Not created out of thin air by unregulated, unbacked entities
  114. Totally NOT a scam
  115. Is not used primarily by crimonals, drug dealers, or money launderers.
  116. 100% secure
  117. 2010 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  118. 2011 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  119. 2012 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  120. 2013 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  121. 2014 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  122. 2015 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  123. 2016 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  124. 2017 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  125. 2018 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  126. 2019 will be the "Year of Crypto"
  127. 2010: MASS ADOPTION any day now"
  128. 2011: MASS ADOPTION aany day now"
  129. 2012: MASS ADOPTION aaany day now"
  130. 2013: MASS ADOPTION aaaany day now"
  131. 2014: MASS ADOPTION aaaaany day now"
  132. 2015: MASS ADOPTION aaaaaany day now"
  133. 2016: MASS ADOPTION aaaaaaany day now"
  134. 2017: MASS ADOPTION aaaaaaaany day now"
  135. 2018: MASS ADOPTION aaaaaaaaany day now"
  136. 2019: MASS ADOPTION aaaaaaaaany day now"
  137. "Financial Freedom, bro."
  138. no single entity, government or individual, can alter or reverse its transactions
  139. insurance against the tyranny of state
  140. Bitcoin has come to destroy all governments and bring about the libertarian utopia of my dreams.
  141. The major issues in Bicoin's network will be fixed. This is still early days, Bitcoin has only been around for 2+ years.
  142. The major issues in Bicoin's network will be fixed. This is still early days, Bitcoin has only been around for 5+ years.
  143. The major issues in Bicoin's network will be fixed. This is still early days, Bitcoin has only been around for 7+ years.
  144. The major issues in Bicoin's network will be fixed. This is still early days, Bitcoin has only been around for 9+ years.
  145. 1,000's of predictions of skyrocketing and/or never falling prices
  146. Escape the petty rivalries of warring powers and nation states by scattering control among the many. The Bitcoin Cash debacle proves that even the most cryptographically secure plans of mice and men often go awry. Ref: https://www.reddit.com/Buttcoin/comments/9zfhb6/like_theres_only_one_flaw_with_buttcoin_crash/ea8s11m
  147. People will NEVER be able to welch out of bets or deals again. Nov-2018, Ref: https://www.reddit.com/Buttcoin/comments/9zvpl2/the_guy_who_made_the_1000_bet_that_btc_wouldnt/
  148. "Everything will be better, faster, and cheaper.", Brock Pierce, EOS.io shill video.
  149. "Everything will be more connected.", Brock Pierce, EOS.io shill video.
  150. "Everything will be more trustworthy.", Brock Pierce, EOS.io shill video.
  151. "Everything will be more secure.", Brock Pierce, EOS.io shill video.
  152. "Everything that exists is no-longer going to exist in the way that it does today.", Brock Pierce, EOS.io shill video.
  153. "Everything in this world is about to get better.", Brock Pierce, EOS.io shill video.
  154. You are a slave to the bankers
  155. The bankers print money and then you pay for it
  156. Bitcoin is The Peoples Money
  157. Bitcoin will set you free
  158. Bitcoin will set you free from the slavery of the banks and the government Ref: https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/cd2q94/bitcoin_shall_set_you_free/
  159. ~~Bitcoin is "striking fear into the hearts of bankers, precisely because Bitcoin eliminates the need for banks. ~~, Mark Yusko, billionaire investor and Founder of Morgan Creek Capital, https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/
  160. "When transactions are verified on a Blockchain, banks become obsolete.", Mark Yusko, billionaire investor and Founder of Morgan Creek Capital, https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/
  161. SnapshillBot quotes from delusional morons:
  162. "A bitcoin miner in every device and in every hand."
  163. "All the indicators are pointing to a huge year and bigger than anything we have seen before."
  164. "Bitcoin is communism and democracy working hand in hand."
  165. "Bitcoin is freedom, and we will soon be free."
  166. "Bitcoin isn't calculated risk, you're right. It's downright and painfully obvious that it will consume global finance."
  167. "Bitcoin most disruptive technology of last 500 years"
  168. "Bitcoin: So easy, your grandma can use it!"
  169. "Creating a 4th Branch of Government - Bitcoin"
  170. "Future generations will cry laughing reading all the negativity and insanity vomited by these permabears."
  171. "Future us will thank us."
  172. "Give Bitcoin two years"
  173. "HODLING is more like being a dutiful guardian of the most powerful economic force this planet has ever seen and getting to have a say about how that force is unleashed."
  174. "Cut out the middleman"
  175. "full control of your own assets"
  176. "reduction in wealth gap"
  177. "no inflation"
  178. "cannot print money out of thin air"
  179. "Why that matters? Because blockchain not only cheaper for them, it'll be cheaper for you and everyone as well."
  180. "If you are in this to get rich in Fiat then no. But if you are in this to protect your wealth once the current monetary system collapse then you are protected and you'll be the new rich."
  181. "Theres the 1% and then theres the 99%. You want to be with the rest thats fine. Being different and brave is far more rewarding. No matter your background or education."
  182. "NO COINERS will believe anything they are fed by fake news and paid media."
  183. "I know that feeling (like people looking at you as in seeing a celebrity and then asking things they don't believe until their impressed)."
  184. "I literally walk round everyday looking at other people wondering why they even bother to live if they don't have Bitcoin in their lives."
  185. "I think bitcoin may very well be the best form of money we’ve ever seen in the history of civilization."
  186. "I think Bitcoin will do for mankind what the sun did for life on earth."
  187. "I think the constant scams and illegal activities only show the viability of bitcoin."
  188. "I think we're sitting on the verge of exponential interest in the currency."
  189. "I'm not using hyperbole when I say Satoshi found the elusive key to World Peace."
  190. "If Jesus ever comes back you know he's gonna be using Bitcoin"
  191. "If this idea was implemented with The Blockchain™, it would be completely flawless! Flawless I tell you!"
  192. "If you're the minimum wage guy type, now is a great time to skip food and go full ramadan in order to buy bitcoin instead."
  193. "In a world slipping more and more into chaos and uncertainty, Bitcoin seems to me like the last solid rock defeating all the attacks."
  194. "In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any filthy statist's blessing, but because I am enlightened by own intelligence."
  195. "Is Bitcoin at this point, with all the potential that opens up, the most undervalued asset ever?"
  196. "It won't be long until bitcoin is an everyday household term."
  197. "It's the USD that is volatile. Bitcoin is the real neutral currency."
  198. "Just like the early Internet!"
  199. "Just like the Trojan Horse of old, Bitcoin will reveal its full power and nature"
  200. "Ladies if your man doesnt have some bitcoin then he cant handle anything and has no danger sex appeal. He isnt edgy"
  201. "let me be the first to say if you dont have bitcoin you are a pussy and cant really purchase anything worldwide. You have no global reach"
  202. "My conclusion is that I see this a a very good thing for bitcoin and for users"
  203. "No one would do such a thing; it'd be against their self interests."
  204. "Ooh lala, good job on bashing Bitcoin. How to disrespect a great innovation."
  205. "Realistically I think Bitcoin will replace the dollar in the next 10-15 years."
  206. "Seperation of money and state -> states become obsolete -> world peace."
  207. "Some striking similarities between Bitcoin and God"
  208. "THANK YOU. Better for this child to be strangled in its crib as a true weapon for crypto-anarchists than for it to be wielded by toxic individuals who distort the technology and surrender it to government and corporate powers."
  209. "The Blockchain is more encompassing than the internet and is the next phase in human evolution. To avoid its significance is complete ignorance."
  210. "The bull run should begin any day now."
  211. "The free market doesn't permit fraud and theft."
  212. "The free market will clear away the bad actors."
  213. "The only regulation we need is the blockchain."
  214. "We are not your slaves! We are free bodies who will swallow you and puke you out in disgust. Welcome to liberty land or as that genius called it: Bitcoin."
  215. "We do not need the bankers for Satoshi is our saviour!"
  216. "We have never seen something so perfect"
  217. "We must bring freedom and crypto to the masses, to the common man who does not know how to fight for himself."
  218. "We verified that against the blockchain."
  219. "we will see a Rennaisnce over the next few decades, all thanks to Bitcoin."
  220. "Well, since 2006, there has been a infinite% increase in price, so..."
  221. "What doesn't kill cryptocurrency makes it stronger."
  222. "When Bitcoin awake in normally people (real people) ... you will have this result : No War. No Tax. No QE. No Bank."
  223. "When I see news that the price of bitcoin has tanked (and thus the market, more or less) I actually, for-real, have the gut reaction "oh that’s cool, I’ll be buying cheap this week". I never knew I could be so rational."
  224. "Where is your sense of adventure? Bitcoin is the future. Set aside your fears and leave easier at the doorstep."
  225. "Yes Bitcoin will cause the greatest redistribution of wealth this planet has ever seen. FACT from the future."
  226. "You are the true Bitcoin pioneers and with your help we have imprinted Bitcoin in the Canadian conscience."
  227. "You ever try LSD? Perhaps it would help you break free from the box of state-formed thinking you have limited yourself..."
  228. "Your phone or refrigerator might be on the blockchain one day."
  229. The banks can print money whenever they way, out of thin air, so why can't crypto do the same ???
  230. Central Banks can print money whenever they way, out of thin air, without any consequences or accounting, so why can't crypto do the same ???
  231. It's impossible to hide illegal, unsavory material on the blockchain
  232. It's impossible to hide child pornography on the blockchain
  233. Fungible
  234. All Bitccoins are the same, 100% identical, one Bitcoin cannot be distinguished from any other Bitcoin.
  235. The price of Bitcoin can only go up.
  236. "Bubbles are mathematically impossible in this new paradigm. So are corrections and all else", John McAfee, 7 Dec 2017 @ 5:09 PM,https://mobile.twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/938938539282190337
  237. Scarcity
  238. The price of Bitcoin can only go up because of scarcity / 21 million coin limit. (Bitcoin is open source, anyone can create thir own copy, and there are more than 2,000+ Bitcoin copies / clones out there already).
  239. immune to government regulation
  240. "a world-changing technology"
  241. "a long-term store of value, like gold or silver"
  242. "To Complex to Be Audited."
  243. "Old Auditing rules do not apply to Blockchain."
  244. "Old Auditing rules do not apply to Cryptocurrency."
  245. "Why Bitcoin has Value: SCARCITY.", PlanB, Coin Shill, 22-Mar-2019, https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/modeling-bitcoins-value-with-scarcity-91fa0fc03e25
  246. "Bitcoin is the first scarce digital object the world has ever seen, it is scarce like silver & gold, and can be sent over the internet, radio, satellite etc.", PlanB, Coin Shill, 22-Mar-2019, https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/modeling-bitcoins-value-with-scarcity-91fa0fc03e25
  247. "Surely this digital scarcity has value.", PlanB, Coin Shill, 22-Mar-2019, https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/modeling-bitcoins-value-with-scarcity-91fa0fc03e25
  248. Bitcoin now at $16,600.00. Those of you in the old school who believe this is a bubble simply have not understood the new mathematics of the Blockchain, or you did not cared enough to try. Bubbles are mathematically impossible in this new paradigm. So are corrections and all else", John McAfee, 7 Dec 2017 @ 5:09 PM,https://mobile.twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/938938539282190337
  249. "May 2018 will be the last time we ever see $bitcoin under $10,000", Charlie Shrem, bitcoin advocate and convicted felon, 11:31 AM 3-May-2018, https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/992109375555858433
  250. "Last dip ever.", AngeloBTC, 14 Oct 2018, https://mobile.twitter.com/AngeloBTC/status/1051710824388030464/photo/1
  251. "Bitcoin May Have Just Experienced its Final Shakeout Before a Big Rally", Joseph Young, coin shill, October 15, 2018 22:30 CET, https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-may-have-just-experienced-its-final-shakeout-before-a-big-rally/
  252. Bitcoin would be a buy if the price fell under $5,000., Mohamed El-Erian, chief economic advisor at Allianz, 29-Jun-2018, https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-a-buy-below-5000-says-allianz-chief-economic-adviso
  253. 2013-11-27: ""What is a Citadel?" you might wonder. Well, by the time Bitcoin became worth 1,000 dollar [27-Nov-2013], services began to emerge for the "Bitcoin rich" to protect themselves as well as their wealth. It started with expensive safes, then began to include bodyguards, and today, "earlies" (our term for early adapters), as well as those rich whose wealth survived the "transition" live in isolated gated cities called Citadels, where most work is automated. Most such Citadels are born out of the fortification used to protect places where Bitcoin mining machines are located. The company known as ASICminer to you is known to me as a city where Mr. Friedman rules as a king.", u/Luka_Magnotta, aka time traveler from the future, 31-Aug-2013, https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/
  254. 2018-02: Bitcoin price to hit $27,000 by February 2018, Trace Mayer, host of the Bitcoin Knowledge Podcast, and self-proclaimed entrepreneur, investor, journalist, monetary scientist and ardent defender, Link #1: https://mobile.twitter.com/TraceMayestatus/917260836070154240/photo/1, Link #2: https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/
  255. 2018-06: "Bitcoin will surpass $15,000 in June [2018]." John McAfee, May 25, 2018, https://bitcoinist.com/john-mcafee-says-bitcoin-will-surpass-15000-in-june/
  256. 2018-07: Bitcoin will be $28,000 by mid-2018, Ronnie Moas, Wall Street analyst and founder of Standpoint Research, http://helpfordream.com/2018/12/23/5-bitcoin-price-predictions-gone-wrong/.
  257. 2018-12: Bitcoin to reach a price of between 40,000 and 110,000 US dollars by the end of the 2017 bull run ... sometime before 2019, Masterluc, 26-May-2017, an anonymous "legendary" Bitcoin trader, Link #1: https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/YRZvdurN-The-target-of-current-bubble-lays-between-40k-and-110k/, Link #2: https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/
  258. 2018-12: "There is no reason why we couldn’t see Bitcoin pushing $50,000 by December [2018]", Thomas Glucksmann, head of APAC business at Gatecoin, Link #1: https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/
  259. 2018-12: Listen up you giggling cunts... who wants some?...you? you want some?...huh? Do ya? Here's the deal you fuckin Nerds - Butts are gonna be at 30 grand or more by next Christmas [2018] - If they aren't I will publicly administer an electronic dick sucking to every shill on this site and disappear forever - Until then, no more bans or shadow bans - Do we have a deal? If Butts are over 50 grand me and Lammy get to be mods. Deal? Your ole pal - "Skully" u/10GDeathBoner, 3-Feb-2018 https://www.reddit.com/Buttcoin/comments/7ut1ut/listen_up_you_giggling_cunts_who_wants_someyou/
  260. 2018-12: 1 bitcoin = 1 Lambo. Remind me on Christmas eve [2018] u/10GDeathBoner, 3-Feb-2018, https://www.reddit.com/Buttcoin/comments/7ut1ut/listen_up_you_giggling_cunts_who_wants_someyou/dtn2pna
  261. 2018-12: Been in BTC since 2014 and experienced many "deaths" of BTC... this too shall pass... $10k end of the year. [2018] u/Exxe2502, 30-Jun-2018 https://reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/8uur27/_/e1ioi5b/?context=1
  262. 2018-12: "Yale Alumni prediction - 30 Grand by Christmas [2018] - and you my friend... you will be the one eating Mcafee's dick in 2020. :) -:", u/SirNakamoto, 15-Jun-2018, https://www.reddit.com/Buttcoin/comments/8r0tyh/fdic_agrees_to_cover_bitcoin_losses_in_event_of/e0nzxq7
  263. 2018-12: "Impossible For Bitcoin Not to Hit $10,000 by This Year (2018)", Mike Novogratz, a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. partner, ex-hedge fund manager of the Fortress Investment Group and a longstanding advocate of cryptocurrency, 22-Sep-2018, https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/09/22/billionaire-novogratz-impossible-for-bitcoin-not-to-hit-10000-by-this-yea
  264. 2018-12: "[Bitcoin] between $13,800 and $14,800 [by end of 2018]", Fundstrat's Tom Lee, 13-Dec-2018, https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/13/wall-streets-bitcoin-bull-tom-lee-we-are-tired-of-people-asking-us-about-target-prices.html
  265. 2018-12: "Bitcoin is going to be $15k-$20k by the end of the year (2018)", Didi Taihuttu, 1-Nov-2018, https://www.wsj.com/video/series/moving-upstream/the-bitcoin-gamble/85E3A4A7-C777-4827-9A3F-B387F2AB7654
  266. 2018-12: 2018 bitcoin price prediction reduced to $15,000 [was $25,000], Fundstrat's Tom Lee, 16-Nov-2018, https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/wall-streets-crypto-bull-tom-lee-slashes-year-end-forecast-by-10000.html
  267. 2018-12: "I want to be clear, bitcoin is going to $25,000 by year end (2018)", Fundstrat's Tom Lee, 5-Jul-2018, https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/07/05/tom-lee-i-want-to-be-clear-bitcoin-is-going-to-25000-by-year-end.html
  268. 2018-12: "Bitcoin could be at $40,000 by the end of 2018, it really easily could", Mike Novogratz, a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. partner, ex-hedge fund manager of the Fortress Investment Group and a longstanding advocate of cryptocurrency, 21-Sep-2018, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lC1anDg2KU
  269. 2018-12: "Bitcoin will be priced around $50,000 by the end of the year (2018)", Bitcoin bull Arthur Hayes, co-founder and CEO of BitMEX, 29-Jun-2018, https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/29/bitcoin-will-reach-50000-in-2018-says-founder-of-bitcoin-exchange.html
  270. 2018-12: "Bitcoin could definitely see $50,000 in 2018", Jeet Singh, cryptocurrency portfolio manager, speaking in January 2018 at the World Economic Forum in Davos, https://www.dcforecasts.com/new-prediction-says-bitcoin-hit-50000-2018/
  271. 2018-12: "Bitcoin will hit $100,000 this year (2018)", Kay Van-Petersen, an analyst at Saxo Bank, 17-Jan-2018, https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/16/bitcoin-headed-to-100000-in-2018-analyst-who-forecast-2017-price-move.html
  272. 2018-12: "Bitcoin price to surpass the $100,000 mark by the end of 2018", Tone Vays, 21-Sep-2017, https://www.ccn.com/prominent-bitcoin-trader-price-is-heading-towards-100000-in-2018/
  273. 2018-12: "Bitcoin’s Price Will Surpass the $100,000 Mark by the End of 2018", Anonymous ("author" obviously too embarrassed to put his name to such bullshit "articles"), Oct-2018, https://investingpr.com/bitcoin-price-predictions-for-2018/
  274. 2018-12: "Our [2018] year-end bitcoin target is $7700.", James Stefurak, Founder at Monarch Research. See article: "Experts Forecast Bitcoin will rise by 2019", REF: https://hackernoon.com/experts-forecast-bitcoin-will-rise-by-2019-f4af8807036b?gi=dfea3c30d6d8
  275. 2018-12: "... we’ll see the price rally reaching its all-time of high of around $20K before the end of 2018", Khaled Khorshid, Co-Founder at Treon ICO. See article: "Experts Forecast Bitcoin will rise by 2019", REF: https://hackernoon.com/experts-forecast-bitcoin-will-rise-by-2019-f4af8807036b?gi=dfea3c30d6d8
  276. 2018-12: Bitcoin will end 2018 at the price point of $50,000, Ran Neuner, host of CNBC’s show Cryptotrader and the 28th most influential Blockchain insider according to Richtopia,https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/
  277. Plus a whole host of wrong 2019 predictions (could not be included here because of post character limit issues), so please see my earlier post from 4 days ago: Ummm, remember those "Expert" Bitcoin Price Predictions for 2019 ..... ohhhhh dear ....., https://www.reddit.com/Buttcoin/comments/eiqhq3/ummm_remember_those_expert_bitcoin_price/
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But it's NOT all bad news, some claims and promises are yet to be determined:
  1. Never going below $3K again
  2. Never going below $2K again
  3. Never going below $1K again
  4. Any others ? Please let me know.
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Tax Megathread

BitcoinAus Tax Megathread

DISCLAIMER

The purpose of this post is to provide crypto-currency investors and traders with a basic understanding of the laws and prinipals regarding tax treatment for crypto-currency in Australia (including but no limited to Bitcoin) as it applies to individuals, not businesses.
At this point in time, this post does not attempt to explain tax treatment for businesses, or when trading in bitcoin is and is not classified as a business.
This post is a work in progress and will be updated and improved on an ongoing basis.
The Author(s) of this post are not tax accountants. Any advice given and/or any facts presented are based solely on our personal understanding of the rules and determinations made by the ATO and do not constitute financial advice. Please feel free to message any of the moderator team should you wish to dispute any of the facts or wording listed here. Please also feel free to offer suggestions and/or improvements that can be made in the comment section.
When in doubt, you should always seek professional advice from a tax accountant.

Captial Gains Tax

First and foremost, lets look at this exerpt from the ATO brief titled "Tax treatment of crypto-currencies in Australia" [1]
Transacting with bitcoin is akin to a barter arrangement, with similar tax consequences. Our view is that bitcoin is neither money nor a foreign currency, and the supply of bitcoin is not a financial supply for goods and services tax (GST) purposes. Bitcoin is, however, an asset for capital gains tax (CGT) purposes.
So this tells us two things.
1) Crypto-currencies are treated as assets for captial gains tax (CGT) purposes.
2) Crypto-currency trasnactions are treated as barter arrangements, with similar tax consequences.
Calculating capital gains tax (CGT) for your investments may sound daunting, but it is really very easy.
If you sell a capital asset, such as real estate or shares (or in our case, crypto-currencies), you usually make a capital gain or a capital loss. This is the difference between what it cost you to acquire the asset and what you receive when you dispose of it.[2]
You need to report capital gains and losses in your income tax return and pay tax on your capital gains. Although it's referred to as capital gains tax (CGT), this is actually part of your income tax, not a separate tax.[2] This means that the amount of CGT you pay will depend on your own marginal tax rate.
When you sell or otherwise dispose of an asset, it's called a capital gains tax (CGT) event. This is the point at which you make a capital gain or loss.[2]
Lets work through an example; Alice purchased 1BTC at a price of $6000 AUD per BTC in Janurary of 2016. Over the ourse of the year, the price of Bitcoin increased to $10000 AUD. Alice then sold 0.5BTC in December 2017 at a price of $10000 per BTC. Therefore the total amount gained from the sale was $5000. It is at this point in time that a CGT event is generated. Alice must now calucalte the profit for this CGT event so that she may declare it on her 2017/2018 tax return (As this is financial year that the CGT event occured).
The first step is to calculate the cost base for the 0.5BTC that was sold. In our example this is easy, Alice originally paid $6000 for 1BTC, which gives us a cost base of $3000 for 0.5BTC. The amount Alice received from sale of the 0.5BTC was $5000, so she subtracts the cost base from the sale price ($5000 - $3000) which leaves her with $2000 profit. This is the amount that Alice will record on her 2017/2018 tax return as a Capital Gain.

Other considerations

There are a number of other considerations to make when calculating profit for a CGT event.
  • The ATO offer individuals a 50% discount on capital gains when the disposed asset has been held for a period of time that exceeds 12 months. The way to make this calculation is as follows; Subtract the cost base from the capital proceeds, deduct any capital losses, then reduce by the relevant discount percentage. (50% for individuals). So in our above example, Alice will only be taxed on a $1000 capital gain had she held the Bitcoin for > 12 months. [3]. Alice would still need to declare the full capital gain on her tax return, but she would select the 'discount' method when performing the calculation. [9].
  • Any incidental costs associated with purchasing, holding, moving, and/or disposing of an asset may also be deducted from the capital proceeds prior to calculating the capital gain. The ATO provide the following example [4]
    The following example (with values inserted) illustrates how to calculate a capital gain:
    Capital proceeds (sale price) $10,210
    Less Cost base:
    • Purchase price $6,000
    • Incidental costs of purchase (Brokerage fee and GST) $100
    • Incidental costs of sale (Brokerage fees and GST) $110 $6,210
    Capital gain $4,000
    Further details for calculating the cost base, and reduced cost base of an asset can be found here.
  • Any capital losses may be carried forward from previous tax years and used to offset capital gains (if any) in the current tax year. [8]
  • It's important to note that losses are applied to any gains before applying the CGT discount. So if you have a carried forward loss of $1,000 and make a gain eligible for the discount of $2,000, your net gain is ($2,000 - $1,000) * 50% = $500.

Bitcoin as a personal use asset

Where you use bitcoin to purchase goods or services for personal use or consumption, any capital gain or loss from disposal of the bitcoin will be disregarded (as a personal use asset) provided the cost of the bitcoin is $10,000 or less. [1]
Personal use assets are CGT assets, other than collectables, used or kept mainly for the personal use or enjoyment of you or your associates. [5]
Personal use assets include:
  • boats
  • furniture
  • electrical goods
  • household items
Bitcoin that is kept or used mainly to make purchases of items for personal use or consumption ordinarily will be kept or used mainly for personal use. Bitcoin that is kept or used mainly for the purpose of profit-making or investment, or to facilitate purchases or sales in the course of carrying on business is not used or kept mainly for personal use. [6]
The ATO have released a Ruling Compendium to accompany TD2014/25EC. One section of this compendium provides clarification on when bitcoin will be a personal use asset.[10] (Item 10)
Item 10 section 1 states the following:
A taxpayer who purchases bitcoin with the intention of holding onto them for a number of years so that they appreciate in value and the profit can be spent in their retirement, is using the bitcoin for investment or profit making purposes and the bitcoin is not a personal use asset.[10]
Further, Item 11 section 3 states the following:
All of the facts and circumstances regarding the acquisition, use and disposal of the bitcoin are relevant to determining whether the bitcoin are a personal use asset.[10]
I urge everyone to read the Compendium, specifically items 10 and 11. These clarifications mean that bitcoin cannot be disposed of as a 'personal use asset' if they were bought or held with the intention of making a profit.

Bitcoin barter arrangements & trading crypto pairs

Transacting with bitcoin is akin to a barter arrangement. [1]
In its simplest form, bartering involves the direct exchange of goods or services for other goods or services without reference to money or a money value. [7]
Early we discussed the fact that Bitcoin and other crypto-currencies are treated and assets, and not currencies. What this means is that whenever you acquire crypto-currency, you are acquiring an asset. This means that trading crypto pairs is essentially a barter arrangement involving the disposal of one asset and an acquisition of a different asset. By definition, this means that you generate a CGT event each and every time you trade a crypto pair. The ATO law regarding barter arrangements tells us that you must assign an AUD value to the disposed asset as well as the acquired asset at the time of the trade. You must then calculate your capital gain or loss using these values.
As a general rule when valuing the consideration arising from barter or countertrade transactions, the ATO will accept a fair market value as adequately reflecting the money value or arm's length value, as applicable. In most cases, the ATO will accept as a fair market value, the cash price which the taxpayer would normally have charged a stranger for the services or for the sale of the goods or property. [7]

Citations

[1] Tax treatment of crypto-currencies in Australia https://www.ato.gov.au/misc/downloads/pdf/qc42159.pdf
[2] Captial Gains Tax https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Capital-gains-tax/
[3] Working out your capital gain https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Capital-gains-tax/Working-out-your-capital-gain-or-loss/Working-out-your-capital-gain/
[4] How to Calculate a Capital Gain or Loss http://www.educatedinvestor.com.au/pages/How-to-Calculate-a-Capital-Gain-or-Loss.html
[5] Personal use assets https://www.ato.gov.au/general/capital-gains-tax/cgt-assets-and-exemptions/#Personal_use_assets
[6] Tax determination - Is Bitcoin a 'CGT Asset' for the purposes of subsection 108-5(1) of the Income Tax Assessment Act 1997 ? http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?DocID=TXD/TD201426/NAT/ATO/00001
[7] Barter arrangements http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=ITIT2668/NAT/ATO/00001
[8] Capital losses on shares and units https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Capital-gains-tax/Shares,-units-and-similar-investments/Capital-losses-on-shares-and-units/
[9] The discount method of calculating your capital gain https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Capital-gains-tax/Working-out-your-capital-gain-or-loss/Working-out-your-capital-gain/The-discount-method-of-calculating-your-capital-gain/
[10] TD 2014/25EC Ruling Compendium https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?LocID=%22CTD%2FTD2014EC25%2FNAT%2FATO%2F00001%22&PiT=99991231235958

Additional documents and links:

Elements of the cost base and reduced cost base
Types of CGT events - specifically type A1 - Disposal
Cost Base
Selling an asset and other CGT events
Australian Crypto FAQ
Tax crime explained
ATO Interest and penalties
Record keeping for CGT
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To celebrate 1M subscribers, I pledge 1,000,000 Satoshis in a contest for the funniest original image with the words BITCOIN GALORE! by noon of Dec. 11th, 2018 EST.

EDIT: CLOSING THIS CONTEST!
A bit sad that not many people participated, but that's good news for those who did because we have less competition :)
I'm doing this again after four years, in the spirit of this post on Bitcointalk eight years ago, which did the exact same thing, but with a 40 BTC bounty.
THIS was the winner of the original contest.
The winner of my contest was this awesome original artwork by soundofthesun
Around November of 2010, close to the time of that posting, 1 BTC was worth almost 0.50 USD. At the time of my tribute post around November of 2014, 1 BTC was worth $440 USD. Today, December 2018, 1 BTC is worth $4000 USD.
In the interest of spreading the love, i'll give 500,000 sats to the winner, and 100,000 sats to five more runners up!
So even though Im giving away around 10000x less BTC than bitcointalk OP and 10x less BTC than my first tribute post four years ago, Bitcoin price is now 10000 times higher than it was 8 years ago and 10 times higher than it was 4 years ago, so it will be roughly the same amount of USD, around $40 total :) Some perspective for this "bear market" sentiment going around. Zoom out!
Let's have some fun! Cheers! And congratulations to Bashco and team for 1,000,000 subscribers! Next stop, 1,000,000 per BTC! ;)
EDIT: Just gonna repeat my original request: it has to be original and funny. I reserve the right to choose the winner based on how original and funny it is, and not on the number of upvotes.
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Question for old timers: Regarding Tim Draper's prediction from 2016

I recently stumbled upon this video and follow up article* from 2016 (reestablishing the 2014 prediction) where Draper predicts Bitcoin price to reach 10k by 2018, which indeed happen for a period of time. But reading between the lines, it sounds like people found this quite unlikely.

I am fairly new to the community so I do not know those years, but was this the general opinion at the time? Does Draper's 10k prediction resemble in any way 50-60k predictions done today for 2021 in terms of the community reaction?

* vid: https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/4fgu4tim_draper_predicts_btc_to_hit_10000_by_2018/ ,
article: https://news.bitcoin.com/2018-bitcoin-price-tim-draper-unlikely/
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r/Bitcoin recap - December 2017

Hi Bitcoiners!
I’m back with the twelfth monthly Bitcoin news recap. (Yes I'll keep doing these in 2018)
For those unfamiliar, each day I pick out the most popularelevant/interesting stories in bitcoin and save them. At the end of the month I release them in one batch, to give you a quick (but not necessarily the best), memeless overview of what happened in bitcoin over the past month.
You can find recaps of the previous months on Bitcoinsnippets.com
A recap of Bitcoin in December 2017
Thanks all for being part of the ride, it's been a great year for Bitcoin. Happy new year to you and I hope we can make 2018 even better!
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Why is Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell u/nullc trying to pretend AXA isn't one of the top 5 "companies that control the world"? AXA relies on debt & derivatives to pretend it's not bankrupt. Million-dollar Bitcoin would destroy AXA's phony balance sheet. How much is AXA paying Greg to cripple Bitcoin?

Here was an interesting brief exchange between Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell u/nullc and u/BitAlien about AXA:
https://np.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/62d2yq/why_bitcoin_is_under_attack/dfm6jt?context=3
The "non-nullc" side of the conversation has already been censored by r\bitcoin - but I had previously archived it here :)
https://archive.fo/yWnWh#selection-2613.0-2615.1
u/BitAlien says to u/nullc :
Blockstream is funded by big banks, for example, AXA.
https://blockstream.com/2016/02/02/blockstream-new-investors-55-million-series-a.html
u/nullc says to u/BitAlien :
is funded by big banks, for example, AXA
AXA is a French multinational insurance firm.
But I guess we shouldn't expect much from someone who thinks miners unilatterally control bitcoin.
Typical semantics games and hair-splitting and bullshitting from Greg.
But I guess we shouldn't expect too much honesty or even understanding from someone like Greg who thinks that miners don't control Bitcoin.
AXA-owned Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell u/nullc doesn't understand how Bitcoin mining works
Mining is how you vote for rule changes. Greg's comments on BU revealed he has no idea how Bitcoin works. He thought "honest" meant "plays by Core rules." [But] there is no "honesty" involved. There is only the assumption that the majority of miners are INTELLIGENTLY PROFIT-SEEKING. - ForkiusMaximus
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5zxl2l/mining_is_how_you_vote_for_rule_changes_gregs/
AXA-owned Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell u/nullc is economically illiterate
Adam Back & Greg Maxwell are experts in mathematics and engineering, but not in markets and economics. They should not be in charge of "central planning" for things like "max blocksize". They're desperately attempting to prevent the market from deciding on this. But it will, despite their efforts.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/46052e/adam_back_greg_maxwell_are_experts_in_mathematics/)
AXA-owned Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell u/nullc doesn't understand how fiat works
Gregory Maxwell nullc has evidently never heard of terms like "the 1%", "TPTB", "oligarchy", or "plutocracy", revealing a childlike naïveté when he says: "‘Majority sets the rules regardless of what some minority thinks’ is the governing principle behind the fiats of major democracies."
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/44qr31/gregory_maxwell_unullc_has_evidently_never_heard/
AXA-owned Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell u/nullc is toxic to Bitcoin
People are starting to realize how toxic Gregory Maxwell is to Bitcoin, saying there are plenty of other coders who could do crypto and networking, and "he drives away more talent than he can attract." Plus, he has a 10-year record of damaging open-source projects, going back to Wikipedia in 2006.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4klqtg/people_are_starting_to_realize_how_toxic_gregory/
So here we have Greg this week, desperately engaging in his usual little "semantics" games - claiming that AXA isn't technically a bank - when the real point is that:
AXA is clearly one of the most powerful fiat finance firms in the world.
Maybe when he's talking about the hairball of C++ spaghetti code that him and his fellow devs at Core/Blockstream are slowing turning their version of Bitcoin's codebase into... in that arcane (and increasingly irrelevant :) area maybe he still can dazzle some people with his usual meaningless technically correct but essentially erroneous bullshit.
But when it comes to finance and economics, Greg is in way over his head - and in those areas, he can't bullshit anyone. In fact, pretty much everything Greg ever says about finance or economics or banks is simply wrong.
He thinks he's proved some point by claiming that AXA isn't technically a bank.
But AXA is far worse than a mere "bank" or a mere "French multinational insurance company".
AXA is one of the top-five "companies that control the world" - and now (some people think) AXA is in charge of paying for Bitcoin "development".
A recent infographic published in the German Magazine "Die Zeit" showed that AXA is indeed the second-most-connected finance company in the world - right at the rotten "core" of the "fantasy fiat" financial system that runs our world today.
Who owns the world? (1) Barclays, (2) AXA, (3) State Street Bank. (Infographic in German - but you can understand it without knowing much German: "Wem gehört die Welt?" = "Who owns the world?") AXA is the #2 company with the most economic poweconnections in the world. And AXA owns Blockstream.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5btu02/who_owns_the_world_1_barclays_2_axa_3_state/
The link to the PDF at Die Zeit in the above OP is gone now - but there's other copies online:
https://www.konsumentenschutz.ch/sks/content/uploads/2014/03/Wem-geh%C3%B6rt-die-Welt.pdfother
http://www.zeit.de/2012/23/IG-Capitalist-Network
https://archive.fo/o/EzRea/https://www.konsumentenschutz.ch/sks/content/uploads/2014/03/Wem-geh%C3%B6rt-die-Welt.pdf
Plus there's lots of other research and articles at sites like the financial magazine Forbes, or the scientific publishing site plos.org, with articles which say the same thing - all the tables and graphs show that:
AXA is consistently among the top five "companies that control everything"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceupbin/2011/10/22/the-147-companies-that-control-everything/#56b72685105b
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0025995
http://www98.griffith.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/handle/10072/37499/64037_1.pdf;sequence=1
https://www.outsiderclub.com/report/who-really-controls-the-world/1032
AXA is right at the rotten "core" of the world financial system. Their last CEO was even the head of the friggin' Bilderberg Group.
Blockstream is now controlled by the Bilderberg Group - seriously! AXA Strategic Ventures, co-lead investor for Blockstream's $55 million financing round, is the investment arm of French insurance giant AXA Group - whose CEO Henri de Castries has been chairman of the Bilderberg Group since 2012.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/47zfzt/blockstream_is_now_controlled_by_the_bilderberg/
So, let's get a few things straight here.
"AXA" might not be a household name to many people.
And Greg was "technically right" when he denied that AXA is a "bank" (which is basically the only kind of "right" that Greg ever is these days: "technically" :-)
But AXA is one of the most powerful finance companies in the world.
AXA was started as a French insurance company.
And now it's a French multinational insurance company.
But if you study up a bit on AXA, you'll see that they're not just any old "insurance" company.
AXA has their fingers in just about everything around the world - including a certain team of toxic Bitcoin devs who are radically trying to change Bitcoin:
And ever since AXA started throwing tens of millions of dollars in filthy fantasy fiat at a certain toxic dev named Gregory Maxwell, CTO of Blockstream, suddenly he started saying that we can't have nice things like the gradually increasing blocksizes (and gradually increasing Bitcoin prices - which fortunately tend to increase proportional to the square of the blocksize because of Metcalfe's law :-) which were some of the main reasons most of us invested in Bitcoin in the first place.
My, my, my - how some people have changed!
Greg Maxwell used to have intelligent, nuanced opinions about "max blocksize", until he started getting paid by AXA, whose CEO is head of the Bilderberg Group - the legacy financial elite which Bitcoin aims to disintermediate. Greg always refuses to address this massive conflict of interest. Why?
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4mlo0z/greg_maxwell_used_to_have_intelligent_nuanced/
Previously, Greg Maxwell u/nullc (CTO of Blockstream), Adam Back u/adam3us (CEO of Blockstream), and u/theymos (owner of r\bitcoin) all said that bigger blocks would be fine. Now they prefer to risk splitting the community & the network, instead of upgrading to bigger blocks. What happened to them?
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5dtfld/previously_greg_maxwell_unullc_cto_of_blockstream/
"Even a year ago I said I though we could probably survive 2MB" - nullc
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/43mond/even_a_year_ago_i_said_i_though_we_could_probably/
Core/Blockstream supporters like to tiptoe around the facts a lot - hoping we won't pay attention to the fact that they're getting paid by a company like AXA, or hoping we'll get confused if Greg says that AXA isn't a bank but rather an insurance firm.
But the facts are the facts, whether AXA is an insurance giant or a bank:
  • AXA would be exposed as bankrupt in a world dominated by a "counterparty-free" asset class like Bitcoin.
  • AXA pays Greg's salary - and Greg is one of the major forces who has been actively attempting to block Bitcoin's on-chain scaling - and there's no way getting around the fact that artificially small blocksizes do lead to artificially low prices.
AXA kinda reminds me of AIG
If anyone here was paying attention when the cracks first started showing in the world fiat finance system around 2008, you may recall the name of another mega-insurance company, that was also one of the most connected finance companies in the world: AIG.
Falling Giant: A Case Study Of AIG
What was once the unthinkable occurred on September 16, 2008. On that date, the federal government gave the American International Group - better known as AIG (NYSE:AIG) - a bailout of $85 billion. In exchange, the U.S. government received nearly 80% of the firm's equity. For decades, AIG was the world's biggest insurer, a company known around the world for providing protection for individuals, companies and others. But in September, the company would have gone under if it were not for government assistance.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/american-investment-group-aig-bailout.asp
Why the Fed saved AIG and not Lehman
Bernanke did say he believed an AIG failure would be "catastrophic," and that the heavy use of derivatives made the AIG problem potentially more explosive.
An AIG failure, thanks to the firm's size and its vast web of trading partners, "would have triggered an intensification of the general run on international banking institutions," Bernanke said.
http://fortune.com/2010/09/02/why-the-fed-saved-aig-and-not-lehman/
Just like AIG, AXA is a "systemically important" finance company - one of the biggest insurance companies in the world.
And (like all major banks and insurance firms), AXA is drowning in worthless debt and bets (derivatives).
Most of AXA's balance sheet would go up in a puff of smoke if they actually did "mark-to-market" (ie, if they actually factored in the probability of the counterparties of their debts and bets actually coming through and paying AXA the full amount it says on the pretty little spreadsheets on everyone's computer screens).
In other words: Like most giant banks and insurers, AXA has mainly debt and bets. They rely on counterparties to pay them - maybe, someday, if the whole system doesn't go tits-up by then.
In other words: Like most giant banks and insurers, AXA does not hold the "private keys" to their so-called wealth :-)
So, like most giant multinational banks and insurers who spend all their time playing with debts and bets, AXA has been teetering on the edge of the abyss since 2008 - held together by chewing gum and paper clips and the miracle of Quantitative Easing - and also by all the clever accounting tricks that instantly become possible when money can go from being a gleam in a banker's eye to a pixel on a screen with just a few keystrokes - that wonderful world of "fantasy fiat" where central bankers ninja-mine billions of dollars in worthless paper and pixels into existence every month - and then for some reason every other month they have to hold a special "emergency central bankers meeting" to deal with the latest financial crisis du jour which "nobody could have seen coming".
AIG back in 2008 - much like AXA today - was another "systemically important" worldwide mega-insurance giant - with most of its net worth merely a pure fantasy on a spreadsheet and in a four-color annual report - glossing over the ugly reality that it's all based on toxic debts and derivatives which will never ever be paid off.
Mega-banks Mega-insurers like AXA are addicted to the never-ending "fantasy fiat" being injected into the casino of musical chairs involving bets upon bets upon bets upon bets upon bets - counterparty against counterparty against counterparty against counterparty - going 'round and 'round on the big beautiful carroussel where everyone is waiting on the next guy to pay up - and meanwhile everyone's cooking their books and sweeping their losses "under the rug", offshore or onto the taxpayers or into special-purpose vehicles - while the central banks keep printing up a trillion more here and a trillion more there in worthless debt-backed paper and pixels - while entire nations slowly sink into the toxic financial sludge of ever-increasing upayable debt and lower productivity and higher inflation, dragging down everyone's economies, enslaving everyone to increasing worktime and decreasing paychecks and unaffordable healthcare and education, corrupting our institutions and our leaders, distorting our investment and "capital allocation" decisions, inflating housing and healthcare and education beyond everyone's reach - and sending people off to die in endless wars to prop up the deadly failing Saudi-American oil-for-arms Petrodollar ninja-mined currency cartel.
In 2008, when the multinational insurance company AIG (along with their fellow gambling buddies at the multinational investment banks Bear Stearns and Lehmans) almost went down the drain due to all their toxic gambling debts, they also almost took the rest of the world with them.
And that's when the "core" dev team working for the miners central banks (the Fed, ECB, BoE, BoJ - who all report to the "central bank of central banks" BIS in Basel) - started cranking up their mining rigs printing presses and keyboards and pixels to the max, unilaterally manipulating the "issuance schedule" of their shitcoins and flooding the world with tens of trillions in their worthless phoney fiat to save their sorry asses after all their toxic debts and bad bets.
AXA is at the very rotten "core" of this system - like AIG, a "systemically important" (ie, "too big to fail") mega-gigantic multinational insurance company - a fantasy fiat finance firm quietly sitting at the rotten core of our current corrupt financial system, basically impacting everything and everybody on this planet.
The "masters of the universe" from AXA are the people who go to Davos every year wining and dining on lobster and champagne - part of that elite circle that prints up endless money which they hand out to their friends while they continue to enslave everyone else - and then of course they always turn around and tell us we can't have nice things like roads and schools and healthcare because "austerity". (But somehow we always can have plenty of wars and prisons and climate change and terrorism because for some weird reason our "leaders" seem to love creating disasters.)
The smart people at AXA are probably all having nightmares - and the smart people at all the other companies in that circle of "too-big-to-fail" "fantasy fiat finance firms" are probably also having nightmares - about the following very possible scenario:
If Bitcoin succeeds, debt-and-derivatives-dependent financial "giants" like AXA will probably be exposed as having been bankrupt this entire time.
All their debts and bets will be exposed as not being worth the paper and pixels they were printed on - and at that point, in a cryptocurrency world, the only real money in the world will be "counterparty-free" assets ie cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin - where all you need to hold is your own private keys - and you're not dependent on the next deadbeat debt-ridden fiat slave down the line coughing up to pay you.
Some of those people at AXA and the rest of that mafia are probably quietly buying - sad that they missed out when Bitcoin was only $10 or $100 - but happy they can still get it for $1000 while Blockstream continues to suppress the price - and who knows, what the hell, they might as well throw some of that juicy "banker's bonus" into Bitcoin now just in case it really does go to $1 million a coin someday - which it could easily do with just 32MB blocks, and no modifications to the code (ie, no SegWit, no BU, no nuthin', just a slowly growing blocksize supporting a price growing roughly proportional to the square of the blocksize - like Bitcoin always actually did before the economically illiterate devs at Blockstream imposed their centrally planned blocksize on our previously decentralized system).
Meanwhile, other people at AXA and other major finance firms might be taking a different tack: happy to see all the disinfo and discord being sown among the Bitcoin community like they've been doing since they were founded in late 2014 - buying out all the devs, dumbing down the community to the point where now even the CTO of Blockstream Greg Mawxell gets the whitepaper totally backwards.
Maybe Core/Blockstream's failure-to-scale is a feature not a bug - for companies like AXA.
After all, AXA - like most of the major banks in the Europe and the US - are now basically totally dependent on debt and derivatives to pretend they're not already bankrupt.
Maybe Blockstream's dead-end road-map (written up by none other than Greg Maxwell), which has been slowly strangling Bitcoin for over two years now - and which could ultimately destroy Bitcoin via the poison pill of Core/Blockstream's SegWit trojan horse - maybe all this never-ending history of obstrution and foot-dragging and lying and failure from Blockstream is actually a feature and not a bug, as far as AXA and their banking buddies are concerned.
The insurance company with the biggest exposure to the 1.2 quadrillion dollar (ie, 1200 TRILLION dollar) derivatives casino is AXA. Yeah, that AXA, the company whose CEO is head of the Bilderberg Group, and whose "venture capital" arm bought out Bitcoin development by "investing" in Blockstream.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4k1r7v/the_insurance_company_with_the_biggest_exposure/
If Bitcoin becomes a major currency, then tens of trillions of dollars on the "legacy ledger of fantasy fiat" will evaporate, destroying AXA, whose CEO is head of the Bilderbergers. This is the real reason why AXA bought Blockstream: to artificially suppress Bitcoin volume and price with 1MB blocks.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4r2pw5/if_bitcoin_becomes_a_major_currency_then_tens_of/
AXA has even invented some kind of "climate catastrophe" derivative - a bet where if the global warming destroys an entire region of the world, the "winner" gets paid.
Of course, derivatives would be something attractive to an insurance company - since basically most of their business is about making and taking bets.
So who knows - maybe AXA is "betting against" Bitcoin - and their little investment in the loser devs at Core/Blockstream is part of their strategy for "winning" that bet.
This trader's price & volume graph / model predicted that we should be over $10,000 USD/BTC by now. The model broke in late 2014 - when AXA-funded Blockstream was founded, and started spreading propaganda and crippleware, centrally imposing artificially tiny blocksize to suppress the volume & price.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5obe2m/this_traders_price_volume_graph_model_predicted/
"I'm angry about AXA scraping some counterfeit money out of their fraudulent empire to pay autistic lunatics millions of dollars to stall the biggest sociotechnological phenomenon since the internet and then blame me and people like me for being upset about it." ~ u/dresden_k
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5xjkof/im_angry_about_axa_scraping_some_counterfeit/
Bitcoin can go to 10,000 USD with 4 MB blocks, so it will go to 10,000 USD with 4 MB blocks. All the censorship & shilling on r\bitcoin & fantasy fiat from AXA can't stop that. BitcoinCORE might STALL at 1,000 USD and 1 MB blocks, but BITCOIN will SCALE to 10,000 USD and 4 MB blocks - and beyond
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5jgkxv/bitcoin_can_go_to_10000_usd_with_4_mb_blocks_so/
AXA/Blockstream are suppressing Bitcoin price at 1000 bits = 1 USD. If 1 bit = 1 USD, then Bitcoin's market cap would be 15 trillion USD - close to the 82 trillion USD of "money" in the world. With Bitcoin Unlimited, we can get to 1 bit = 1 USD on-chain with 32MB blocksize ("Million-Dollar Bitcoin")
https://www.reddit.com/btc/comments/5u72va/axablockstream_are_suppressing_bitcoin_price_at/
Anyways, people are noticing that it's a little... odd... the way Greg Maxwell seems to go to such lengths, in order to cover up the fact that bigger blocks have always correlated to higher price.
He seems to get very... uncomfortable... when people start pointing out that:
It sure looks like AXA is paying Greg Maxwell to suppress the Bitcoin price.
Greg Maxwell has now publicly confessed that he is engaging in deliberate market manipulation to artificially suppress Bitcoin adoption and price. He could be doing this so that he and his associates can continue to accumulate while the price is still low (1 BTC = $570, ie 1 USD can buy 1750 "bits")
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4wgq48/greg_maxwell_has_now_publicly_confessed_that_he/
Why did Blockstream CTO u/nullc Greg Maxwell risk being exposed as a fraud, by lying about basic math? He tried to convince people that Bitcoin does not obey Metcalfe's Law (claiming that Bitcoin price & volume are not correlated, when they obviously are). Why is this lie so precious to him?
https://www.reddit.com/btc/comments/57dsgz/why_did_blockstream_cto_unullc_greg_maxwell_risk/
I don't know how a so-called Bitcoin dev can sleep at night knowing he's getting paid by fucking AXA - a company that would probably go bankrupt if Bitcoin becomes a major world currency.
Greg must have to go through some pretty complicated mental gymastics to justify in his mind what everyone else can see: he is a fucking sellout to one of the biggest fiat finance firms in the world - he's getting paid by (and defending) a company which would probably go bankrupt if Bitcoin ever achieved multi-trillion dollar market cap.
Greg is literally getting paid by the second-most-connected "systemically important" (ie, "too big to fail") finance firm in the world - which will probably go bankrupt if Bitcoin were ever to assume its rightful place as a major currency with total market cap measured in the tens of trillions of dollars, destroying most of the toxic sludge of debt and derivatives keeping a bank financial giant like AXA afloat.
And it may at first sound batshit crazy (until You Do The Math), but Bitcoin actually really could go to one-million-dollars-a-coin in the next 8 years or so - without SegWit or BU or anything else - simply by continuing with Satoshi's original 32MB built-in blocksize limit and continuing to let miners keep blocks as small as possible to satisfy demand while avoiding orphans - a power which they've had this whole friggin' time and which they've been managing very well thank you.
Bitcoin Original: Reinstate Satoshi's original 32MB max blocksize. If actual blocks grow 54% per year (and price grows 1.542 = 2.37x per year - Metcalfe's Law), then in 8 years we'd have 32MB blocks, 100 txns/sec, 1 BTC = 1 million USD - 100% on-chain P2P cash, without SegWit/Lightning or Unlimited
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5uljaf/bitcoin_original_reinstate_satoshis_original_32mb/
Meanwhile Greg continues to work for Blockstream which is getting tens of millions of dollars from a company which would go bankrupt if Bitcoin were to actually scale on-chain to 32MB blocks and 1 million dollars per coin without all of Greg's meddling.
So Greg continues to get paid by AXA, spreading his ignorance about economics and his lies about Bitcoin on these forums.
In the end, who knows what Greg's motivations are, or AXA's motivations are.
But one thing we do know is this:
Satoshi didn't put Greg Maxwell or AXA in charge of deciding the blocksize.
The tricky part to understand about "one CPU, one vote" is that it does not mean there is some "pre-existing set of rules" which the miners somehow "enforce" (despite all the times when you hear some Core idiot using words like "consensus layer" or "enforcing the rules").
The tricky part about really understanding Bitcoin is this:
Hashpower doesn't just enforce the rules - hashpower makes the rules.
And if you think about it, this makes sense.
It's the only way Bitcoin actually could be decentralized.
It's kinda subtle - and it might be hard for someone to understand if they've been a slave to centralized authorities their whole life - but when we say that Bitcoin is "decentralized" then what it means is:
We all make the rules.
Because if hashpower doesn't make the rules - then you'd be right back where you started from, with some idiot like Greg Maxwell "making the rules" - or some corrupt too-big-to-fail bank debt-and-derivative-backed "fantasy fiat financial firm" like AXA making the rules - by buying out a dev team and telling us that that dev team "makes the rules".
But fortunately, Greg's opinions and ignorance and lies don't matter anymore.
Miners are waking up to the fact that they've always controlled the blocksize - and they always will control the blocksize - and there isn't a single goddamn thing Greg Maxwell or Blockstream or AXA can do to stop them from changing it - whether the miners end up using BU or Classic or BitcoinEC or they patch the code themselves.
The debate is not "SHOULD THE BLOCKSIZE BE 1MB VERSUS 1.7MB?". The debate is: "WHO SHOULD DECIDE THE BLOCKSIZE?" (1) Should an obsolete temporary anti-spam hack freeze blocks at 1MB? (2) Should a centralized dev team soft-fork the blocksize to 1.7MB? (3) OR SHOULD THE MARKET DECIDE THE BLOCKSIZE?
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5pcpec/the_debate_is_not_should_the_blocksize_be_1mb/
Core/Blockstream are now in the Kübler-Ross "Bargaining" phase - talking about "compromise". Sorry, but markets don't do "compromise". Markets do COMPETITION. Markets do winner-takes-all. The whitepaper doesn't talk about "compromise" - it says that 51% of the hashpower determines WHAT IS BITCOIN.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/5y9qtg/coreblockstream_are_now_in_the_k%C3%BCblerross/
Clearing up Some Widespread Confusions about BU
Core deliberately provides software with a blocksize policy pre-baked in.
The ONLY thing BU-style software changes is that baking in. It refuses to bundle controversial blocksize policy in with the rest of the code it is offering. It unties the blocksize settings from the dev teams, so that you don't have to shop for both as a packaged unit.
The idea is that you can now have Core software security without having to submit to Core blocksize policy.
Running Core is like buying a Sony TV that only lets you watch Fox, because the other channels are locked away and you have to know how to solder a circuit board to see them. To change the channel, you as a layman would have to switch to a different TV made by some other manufacturer, who you may not think makes as reliable of TVs.
This is because Sony believes people should only ever watch Fox "because there are dangerous channels out there" or "because since everyone needs to watch the same channel, it is our job to decide what that channel is."
So the community is stuck with either watching Fox on their nice, reliable Sony TVs, or switching to all watching ABC on some more questionable TVs made by some new maker (like, in 2015 the XT team was the new maker and BIP101 was ABC).
BU (and now Classic and BitcoinEC) shatters that whole bizarre paradigm. BU is a TV that lets you tune to any channel you want, at your own risk.
The community is free to converge on any channel it wants to, and since everyone in this analogy wants to watch the same channel they will coordinate to find one.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/602vsy/clearing_up_some_widespread_confusions_about_bu/
Adjustable blocksize cap (ABC) is dangerous? The blocksize cap has always been user-adjustable. Core just has a really shitty inferface for it.
What does it tell you that Core and its supporters are up in arms about a change that merely makes something more convenient for users and couldn't be prevented from happening anyway? Attacking the adjustable blocksize feature in BU and Classic as "dangerous" is a kind of trap, as it is an implicit admission that Bitcoin was being protected only by a small barrier of inconvenience, and a completely temporary one at that. If this was such a "danger" or such a vector for an "attack," how come we never heard about it before?
Even if we accept the improbable premise that inconvenience is the great bastion holding Bitcoin together and the paternalistic premise that stakeholders need to be fed consensus using a spoon of inconvenience, we still must ask, who shall do the spoonfeeding?
Core accepts these two amazing premises and further declares that Core alone shall be allowed to do the spoonfeeding. Or rather, if you really want to you can be spoonfed by other implementation clients like libbitcoin and btcd as long as they are all feeding you the same stances on controversial consensus settings as Core does.
It is high time the community see central planning and abuse of power for what it is, and reject both:
  • Throw off central planning by removing petty "inconvenience walls" (such as baked-in, dev-recommended blocksize caps) that interfere with stakeholders coordinating choices amongst themselves on controversial matters ...
  • Make such abuse of power impossible by encouraging many competing implementations to grow and blossom
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/617gf9/adjustable_blocksize_cap_abc_is_dangerous_the/
So it's time for Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell u/nullc to get over his delusions of grandeur - and to admit he's just another dev, with just another opinion.
He also needs to look in the mirror and search his soul and confront the sad reality that he's basically turned into a sellout working for a shitty startup getting paid by the 5th (or 4th or 2nd) "most connected", "systemically important", "too-big-to-fail", debt-and-derivative-dependent multinational bank mega-insurance giant in the world AXA - a major fiat firm firm which is terrified of going bankrupt just like that other mega-insurnace firm AIG already almost did before the Fed rescued them in 2008 - a fiat finance firm which is probably very conflicted about Bitcoin, at the very least.
Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell is getting paid by the most systemically important bank mega-insurance giant in the world, sitting at the rotten "core" of the our civilization's corrupt, dying fiat cartel.
Blockstream CTO Greg Maxwell is getting paid by a mega-bank mega-insurance company that will probably go bankrupt if and when Bitcoin ever gets a multi-trillion dollar market cap, which it can easily do with just 32MB blocks and no code changes at all from clueless meddling devs like him.
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